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	<title>Comments on: Comment of the Day: Inner Loop Rents, Hard and&#160;High</title>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: move4ward</title>
		<link>http://swamplot.com/comment-of-the-day-inner-loop-rents-hard-and-high/2009-06-02/#comment-33483</link>
		<dc:creator>move4ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the foreclosures are hitting low-to-moderate income families, especially construction.  Most of these families do not move inside the loop.  The ones that do move inside the loop are going the undesirable areas or rundown complexes.  Many of the houses in the $100k are being turned into rentals by investors. 

There is always a high demand for high quality housing inside the loop. There is a stronger demand now that many Californians have fled East to find jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the foreclosures are hitting low-to-moderate income families, especially construction.  Most of these families do not move inside the loop.  The ones that do move inside the loop are going the undesirable areas or rundown complexes.  Many of the houses in the $100k are being turned into rentals by investors. </p>
<p>There is always a high demand for high quality housing inside the loop. There is a stronger demand now that many Californians have fled East to find jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: redbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>redbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it's  become popular to live inside the loop again so prices are going to reflect that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s  become popular to live inside the loop again so prices are going to reflect that.</p>
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		<title>By: kjb434</title>
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		<dc:creator>kjb434</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>houston-development,

Several of our apartment development clients are moving forward in the Metroplex, Austin, and San Antonio.  We are moving forward with site plans for infrastructure on three of them. The DFW apartment job we were awarded just last week is located in the Castle Hills area along SH 121 between Lewisville and The Colony.  It is the first phase of a 250-acre mixed development.  The apartments are first.  

You are right about the Houston market having some saturation.  None of our clients or moving on the Houston market right now since so much supply has been put on the market in the last couple of years.

The idea that the financing isn't available is a myth.  It's there for those that qualify.

Most of our land development and site development clients anticipate San Antonio to rebound first of the Texas metros.  Austin and Houston will come back next then DFW for single family specifically.  DFW suffers from having to many municipal entities allowing development of smaller subdivisions.  Many of these came online simultaneously flooding the market (even when it was hot).  There wasn't a clearing house for developers to gauge accurately the supply entering the market through looking at plats and permits being filed.  So now the DFW area has much more supply than Houston, San Antonio, and Austin.  In the Houston and San Antonio area, the majority of development occurs within some purview of a planning commission that has a large jurisdiction.  Outside of the planning commission's coverage there are only a couple of separate entities.  It's easier to keep track of the plats and permits being filed. In the Houston and San Antonio region.

As for apartments, San Antonio looks promising specifically on the south and east side.  The Texas A&#38;M expansion will generate some demand since no student housing is being added to the rapidly expanding campus.  This is on the south side along Loop 410.  The east side will see increase warehouse and distribution center construction to intercept trucks from Mexico.  The east side is also where SH 130 is being built which will serve as a bypass route of I-35 which is congested throughout the daytime hours from San Antonio to Austin.  The activity on the east side of San Antonio will spur some renewal and new growth which will require apartment housing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>houston-development,</p>
<p>Several of our apartment development clients are moving forward in the Metroplex, Austin, and San Antonio.  We are moving forward with site plans for infrastructure on three of them. The DFW apartment job we were awarded just last week is located in the Castle Hills area along SH 121 between Lewisville and The Colony.  It is the first phase of a 250-acre mixed development.  The apartments are first.  </p>
<p>You are right about the Houston market having some saturation.  None of our clients or moving on the Houston market right now since so much supply has been put on the market in the last couple of years.</p>
<p>The idea that the financing isn&#8217;t available is a myth.  It&#8217;s there for those that qualify.</p>
<p>Most of our land development and site development clients anticipate San Antonio to rebound first of the Texas metros.  Austin and Houston will come back next then DFW for single family specifically.  DFW suffers from having to many municipal entities allowing development of smaller subdivisions.  Many of these came online simultaneously flooding the market (even when it was hot).  There wasn&#8217;t a clearing house for developers to gauge accurately the supply entering the market through looking at plats and permits being filed.  So now the DFW area has much more supply than Houston, San Antonio, and Austin.  In the Houston and San Antonio area, the majority of development occurs within some purview of a planning commission that has a large jurisdiction.  Outside of the planning commission&#8217;s coverage there are only a couple of separate entities.  It&#8217;s easier to keep track of the plats and permits being filed. In the Houston and San Antonio region.</p>
<p>As for apartments, San Antonio looks promising specifically on the south and east side.  The Texas A&amp;M expansion will generate some demand since no student housing is being added to the rapidly expanding campus.  This is on the south side along Loop 410.  The east side will see increase warehouse and distribution center construction to intercept trucks from Mexico.  The east side is also where SH 130 is being built which will serve as a bypass route of I-35 which is congested throughout the daytime hours from San Antonio to Austin.  The activity on the east side of San Antonio will spur some renewal and new growth which will require apartment housing.</p>
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		<title>By: houston-development</title>
		<link>http://swamplot.com/comment-of-the-day-inner-loop-rents-hard-and-high/2009-06-02/#comment-30793</link>
		<dc:creator>houston-development</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Right now developers are scouring for new sites for apartment complexes"

really?

of the local big players (ie camden, morgan, hanover, crow, gables, etc), not one is actively looking for new sites.  it has never, ever been this difficult to obtain construction financing. to put things into perspective, it was easier to get a contruction loan in the late 80s and early 90s than it is today.  lenders are requiring more "real" equity, limited rent growth (if any at all), higher debt to service coverage ratios, and full recourse (except for hud 221d4 loans).

developers today are focusing on their existing product and attempting to roll construction loans into long term financing.  this is especially the case with merchant builders since cant sell their current properties.  they have millions tied up and the last thing they want to do is chase bad money with good.    

sure, some deals will break ground going forward but to proclaim developers are actively pursuing sites is not the case.  if you were a journalist, i would call your reporting irresponsible and lacking facts.  for example, you claim theres "limited space" in a sub 90% market.  seriously?  you may want to let the managers know because most are offering concessions of up to 2 months free, waived deposits, and look/lease specials.  you never, ever see those deals in a tight market.

/ real life experince rant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Right now developers are scouring for new sites for apartment complexes&#8221;</p>
<p>really?</p>
<p>of the local big players (ie camden, morgan, hanover, crow, gables, etc), not one is actively looking for new sites.  it has never, ever been this difficult to obtain construction financing. to put things into perspective, it was easier to get a contruction loan in the late 80s and early 90s than it is today.  lenders are requiring more &#8220;real&#8221; equity, limited rent growth (if any at all), higher debt to service coverage ratios, and full recourse (except for hud 221d4 loans).</p>
<p>developers today are focusing on their existing product and attempting to roll construction loans into long term financing.  this is especially the case with merchant builders since cant sell their current properties.  they have millions tied up and the last thing they want to do is chase bad money with good.    </p>
<p>sure, some deals will break ground going forward but to proclaim developers are actively pursuing sites is not the case.  if you were a journalist, i would call your reporting irresponsible and lacking facts.  for example, you claim theres &#8220;limited space&#8221; in a sub 90% market.  seriously?  you may want to let the managers know because most are offering concessions of up to 2 months free, waived deposits, and look/lease specials.  you never, ever see those deals in a tight market.</p>
<p>/ real life experince rant</p>
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		<title>By: rollo</title>
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		<dc:creator>rollo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 01:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ahh, mike always a joy with that positive upbeat mood and attitude!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahh, mike always a joy with that positive upbeat mood and attitude!</p>
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		<title>By: MikeRG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeRG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 22:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>likely not a tremendous amount. But, upper Kirby has a new development underway that will have more effect.

I think the bigger factors in the higher priced areas will be the economy. Renting a fancy place requires a good salary.

If the new oil bubble collapses like the old one did, there could be more layoffs or salary cuts. 

There are also stories of yuppies or whateve they are called these days moving back in wth the parents when things get bad. 

As to developers, a bigger problem may be the financing. Banks are a lot stricter than they used to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>likely not a tremendous amount. But, upper Kirby has a new development underway that will have more effect.</p>
<p>I think the bigger factors in the higher priced areas will be the economy. Renting a fancy place requires a good salary.</p>
<p>If the new oil bubble collapses like the old one did, there could be more layoffs or salary cuts. </p>
<p>There are also stories of yuppies or whateve they are called these days moving back in wth the parents when things get bad. </p>
<p>As to developers, a bigger problem may be the financing. Banks are a lot stricter than they used to be.</p>
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		<title>By: kjb434</title>
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		<dc:creator>kjb434</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how much the apartment supply in the south areas (below the medical center and rice u) affect the apartment supply along Buffalo Bayou, Midtown, Montrose, and Upper Kirby?

From the site development group at my office, they are telling me that the apartment market will heat up if the housing slump holds or gets worse.  Right now developers are scouring for new sites for apartment complexes if they haven't already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how much the apartment supply in the south areas (below the medical center and rice u) affect the apartment supply along Buffalo Bayou, Midtown, Montrose, and Upper Kirby?</p>
<p>From the site development group at my office, they are telling me that the apartment market will heat up if the housing slump holds or gets worse.  Right now developers are scouring for new sites for apartment complexes if they haven&#8217;t already.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeRG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeRG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a large supply of new apartments coming online in the loop, though not midtown. One new complex is under construction on OST near Kirby and another is opening on Braeswood near Stella link. There is also a whole building of unoccupied apartments/condos behind the Rice Market on Holcombe. The building is maybe 2 years old. Don't know if it is REO or what. I doubt these last could be called luxury. 

Re: my statement above about people renting out their homes and condos, even Treasury Secretaries are doing it :)
http://www.cnbc.com/id/31082378</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a large supply of new apartments coming online in the loop, though not midtown. One new complex is under construction on OST near Kirby and another is opening on Braeswood near Stella link. There is also a whole building of unoccupied apartments/condos behind the Rice Market on Holcombe. The building is maybe 2 years old. Don&#8217;t know if it is REO or what. I doubt these last could be called luxury. </p>
<p>Re: my statement above about people renting out their homes and condos, even Treasury Secretaries are doing it :)<br />
<a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/31082378" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.cnbc.com/id/31082378');" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnbc.com/id/31082378</a></p>
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		<title>By: kjb434</title>
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		<dc:creator>kjb434</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to add on to Charlie's point:

This is also why new construction of apartment complexes will continue.  There is limited supply of rental space.  Current economic condition lends itself to renting since people want to be mobile.  Houston also still having an OK economy has become a magnet for people moving.  San Antonio is seeing this.  Developers in the Metroplex are pushing for new apartment construction also.  The far suburbs of Austin are also on the rebound.

The high-rise at Studemont will be open soon.  New apartments along Richmond and Westheimer in the loop have been added.  A new complex on the light rail line in Midtown is underway.

The other major project that may get underway would be Regent Square.  The city is interested in pushing this project by annexing more land into TIRZ #5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to add on to Charlie&#8217;s point:</p>
<p>This is also why new construction of apartment complexes will continue.  There is limited supply of rental space.  Current economic condition lends itself to renting since people want to be mobile.  Houston also still having an OK economy has become a magnet for people moving.  San Antonio is seeing this.  Developers in the Metroplex are pushing for new apartment construction also.  The far suburbs of Austin are also on the rebound.</p>
<p>The high-rise at Studemont will be open soon.  New apartments along Richmond and Westheimer in the loop have been added.  A new complex on the light rail line in Midtown is underway.</p>
<p>The other major project that may get underway would be Regent Square.  The city is interested in pushing this project by annexing more land into TIRZ #5.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not saying that there aren't cheaper places available.  Houston has a wider range of apartment sizes and quality in a single neighborhood than most cities I've seen.  But for high quality residential, inside the loop, prices are high and availability is low. 


The place I rented is a nice renovated 1,500 sf bungalow (1,700 sf if you include the finished attic)on an ok street with central ac, hardwoods, granite/stainless and a 1 car detatched garage. Compared to what I've seen in Dallas though it is probably about $700 more than I'd have paid in a similar area.


When I was looking everything I saw of similar quality in Montrose/Upper Kirby/Rice Village/ Midtown (west of the highway) was similarly priced.  I didn't want to be downtown.  Realtors tried to steer me to the Galleria and I didn't want to be there either.


For grins last month I wanted to look at a 2 bedroom place on Cherryhurst that came on the market for sale at $499k but it sold in a week before I could get in to see it.  High quality on good streets must still be selling.


The flip side of people losing homes or being unable to sell is that they have to live somewhere.  I don't think rents in town will go down very much at all because there will be more renters chasing the available inventory.  There isn't a lot of new construction going on to increase supply.  The only way that equation will work to lower rents is if people are moving out of town and that isn't really happening. 

Take a look at HAR and you'll see what I mean.  Limit your search to 2 bedrooms between $1,000 and $3,000 in 77006 and you'll find 37.  Granted that doesn't include "for rent by owner" or apartment complexes but that isn't a lot of available units. The supply is even more limited if you want a garage or off street parking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not saying that there aren&#8217;t cheaper places available.  Houston has a wider range of apartment sizes and quality in a single neighborhood than most cities I&#8217;ve seen.  But for high quality residential, inside the loop, prices are high and availability is low. </p>
<p>The place I rented is a nice renovated 1,500 sf bungalow (1,700 sf if you include the finished attic)on an ok street with central ac, hardwoods, granite/stainless and a 1 car detatched garage. Compared to what I&#8217;ve seen in Dallas though it is probably about $700 more than I&#8217;d have paid in a similar area.</p>
<p>When I was looking everything I saw of similar quality in Montrose/Upper Kirby/Rice Village/ Midtown (west of the highway) was similarly priced.  I didn&#8217;t want to be downtown.  Realtors tried to steer me to the Galleria and I didn&#8217;t want to be there either.</p>
<p>For grins last month I wanted to look at a 2 bedroom place on Cherryhurst that came on the market for sale at $499k but it sold in a week before I could get in to see it.  High quality on good streets must still be selling.</p>
<p>The flip side of people losing homes or being unable to sell is that they have to live somewhere.  I don&#8217;t think rents in town will go down very much at all because there will be more renters chasing the available inventory.  There isn&#8217;t a lot of new construction going on to increase supply.  The only way that equation will work to lower rents is if people are moving out of town and that isn&#8217;t really happening. </p>
<p>Take a look at HAR and you&#8217;ll see what I mean.  Limit your search to 2 bedrooms between $1,000 and $3,000 in 77006 and you&#8217;ll find 37.  Granted that doesn&#8217;t include &#8220;for rent by owner&#8221; or apartment complexes but that isn&#8217;t a lot of available units. The supply is even more limited if you want a garage or off street parking.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeRG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeRG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expect things to get softer. More and more people who can't sell houses or condo's are trying to rent them to cover the note and wait out the downturn. They will have a long wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expect things to get softer. More and more people who can&#8217;t sell houses or condo&#8217;s are trying to rent them to cover the note and wait out the downturn. They will have a long wait.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pay $950 a month for a 1200sf, 2-bedroom apartment (one unit in a fourplex) in University Place. It's an older building and it's far from lavish, but it does have central A/C, covered parking, and quiet neighbors. Best of all, it's a short walk from the Museum District, Rice University, and the Village. I feel like I got a sweet deal on the place, but it actually did sit on the market for quite a while before I found it. I can't imagine paying $2000+/month for a 2BR apartment (except perhaps an extremely nice high-rise unit downtown), but $2600 for a nicer house sounds pretty good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pay $950 a month for a 1200sf, 2-bedroom apartment (one unit in a fourplex) in University Place. It&#8217;s an older building and it&#8217;s far from lavish, but it does have central A/C, covered parking, and quiet neighbors. Best of all, it&#8217;s a short walk from the Museum District, Rice University, and the Village. I feel like I got a sweet deal on the place, but it actually did sit on the market for quite a while before I found it. I can&#8217;t imagine paying $2000+/month for a 2BR apartment (except perhaps an extremely nice high-rise unit downtown), but $2600 for a nicer house sounds pretty good.</p>
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