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	<title>Comments on: Costco Greenway Commons Sidewalk Obstacle Course:&#160;Fun!</title>
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		<title>By: DLundeen</title>
		<link>http://swamplot.com/costco-greenway-commons-sidewalk-obstacle-course-fun/2008-10-27/#comment-11290</link>
		<dc:creator>DLundeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ADA is triggered by any alteration of the roadway or the sidewalk.  However, the sidewalk at first glance from the photos appears to show the required 3-ft wide accessible route.  Also, a widened area for turning around or passing wheelchairs is req'd every 200 ft - these can be provided by intersectino treatments.

That being said it is certainly not a very smart design if people arre actually going to want to walk here.  Unfortunately you can't legislate a desire to make streets ped friendly if the municipality just doesn't have the will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ADA is triggered by any alteration of the roadway or the sidewalk.  However, the sidewalk at first glance from the photos appears to show the required 3-ft wide accessible route.  Also, a widened area for turning around or passing wheelchairs is req&#8217;d every 200 ft - these can be provided by intersectino treatments.</p>
<p>That being said it is certainly not a very smart design if people arre actually going to want to walk here.  Unfortunately you can&#8217;t legislate a desire to make streets ped friendly if the municipality just doesn&#8217;t have the will.</p>
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		<title>By: surviving</title>
		<link>http://swamplot.com/costco-greenway-commons-sidewalk-obstacle-course-fun/2008-10-27/#comment-11200</link>
		<dc:creator>surviving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>looks like a fun slalom corse for a skateboard/rollerblader</description>
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		<title>By: kjb434</title>
		<link>http://swamplot.com/costco-greenway-commons-sidewalk-obstacle-course-fun/2008-10-27/#comment-11171</link>
		<dc:creator>kjb434</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It goes to whose responsible for the work.

The road was not being repaved or reconstructed.  Just a turn lane in one spot.

The sidewalk was is massive disrepair, but it is not the developers job to rebuild it beyond the previous state.  That is the city's job.

The city could have pressed the developer to do it as a condition of plan approvals, permit approvals, etc.

Does this mean that any homeowner doing some remodeling or even a rebuild on a lot must bring the sidewalks in front into ADA compliance too?  Does this also mean that any commercial building that is constructed and/or remodeled must also make the sidewalks in public right of way ADA compliant?

The issue comes down to who gets defined as at-fault if an ADA complaint is made to the state agency that enforces the federal guidelines.  The developer and Costco are only responsible for what happens where they connect driveways to the street to be ADA compliant in the public right of way.  ADA compliance for the developer is a concern within their property.  

I understand the pictures show a sorry excuse for a sidewalk, but the developer isn't responsible for upgrading and improving the sidewalk.  The developer fixed a sidewalk in dis-repair on their own accord.  My objection is the blaming of the developer.  The real party to blame would be the City of Houston and the Planning Commission.

Also, if citizens truly felt this sidewalk was so horrible and so bad, why would they complain about it on the internet?  Why not make the phone calls for the ADA complaint?

I don't live near the Costco or involved in projects near it, so it's not affecting me.  I have plenty of other neighborhood issues in my own area of Houston that I help my community with.

The residents and workers in the area that would utilize this sidewalk should take some action.  Usually ADA complaints made to political officials don't go un-resolved.  Call a TV news crew and make a stink about it.  Get a wheel chair bound person to try to navigate it on camera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It goes to whose responsible for the work.</p>
<p>The road was not being repaved or reconstructed.  Just a turn lane in one spot.</p>
<p>The sidewalk was is massive disrepair, but it is not the developers job to rebuild it beyond the previous state.  That is the city&#8217;s job.</p>
<p>The city could have pressed the developer to do it as a condition of plan approvals, permit approvals, etc.</p>
<p>Does this mean that any homeowner doing some remodeling or even a rebuild on a lot must bring the sidewalks in front into ADA compliance too?  Does this also mean that any commercial building that is constructed and/or remodeled must also make the sidewalks in public right of way ADA compliant?</p>
<p>The issue comes down to who gets defined as at-fault if an ADA complaint is made to the state agency that enforces the federal guidelines.  The developer and Costco are only responsible for what happens where they connect driveways to the street to be ADA compliant in the public right of way.  ADA compliance for the developer is a concern within their property.  </p>
<p>I understand the pictures show a sorry excuse for a sidewalk, but the developer isn&#8217;t responsible for upgrading and improving the sidewalk.  The developer fixed a sidewalk in dis-repair on their own accord.  My objection is the blaming of the developer.  The real party to blame would be the City of Houston and the Planning Commission.</p>
<p>Also, if citizens truly felt this sidewalk was so horrible and so bad, why would they complain about it on the internet?  Why not make the phone calls for the ADA complaint?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t live near the Costco or involved in projects near it, so it&#8217;s not affecting me.  I have plenty of other neighborhood issues in my own area of Houston that I help my community with.</p>
<p>The residents and workers in the area that would utilize this sidewalk should take some action.  Usually ADA complaints made to political officials don&#8217;t go un-resolved.  Call a TV news crew and make a stink about it.  Get a wheel chair bound person to try to navigate it on camera.</p>
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		<title>By: Cesspool</title>
		<link>http://swamplot.com/costco-greenway-commons-sidewalk-obstacle-course-fun/2008-10-27/#comment-11168</link>
		<dc:creator>Cesspool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kjb434, I too am familiar with ADA as a transportation planner (though not in Texas).  And given Houston's transportation and land-use record I don't care to be.

But, it is pretty pathetic that, as an engineer you would state that a reconstructed sidewalk doesn't need to be ADA compliant.  A repaving of the road triggers ADA upgrades for crying out loud.  And you contend that a completely reconstructed sidewalk doesn't have to be upgraded?

And again, address my points; there are a variety of basic flaws such as sign placement and width that could have easily been changed to comply in many cases.  I don't know who was responsible for the reconstruction (I assume the developer as a condition of the redevelopment of the site).  Regardless, the sidewalk needs to be made compliant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kjb434, I too am familiar with ADA as a transportation planner (though not in Texas).  And given Houston&#8217;s transportation and land-use record I don&#8217;t care to be.</p>
<p>But, it is pretty pathetic that, as an engineer you would state that a reconstructed sidewalk doesn&#8217;t need to be ADA compliant.  A repaving of the road triggers ADA upgrades for crying out loud.  And you contend that a completely reconstructed sidewalk doesn&#8217;t have to be upgraded?</p>
<p>And again, address my points; there are a variety of basic flaws such as sign placement and width that could have easily been changed to comply in many cases.  I don&#8217;t know who was responsible for the reconstruction (I assume the developer as a condition of the redevelopment of the site).  Regardless, the sidewalk needs to be made compliant.</p>
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		<title>By: today</title>
		<link>http://swamplot.com/costco-greenway-commons-sidewalk-obstacle-course-fun/2008-10-27/#comment-11131</link>
		<dc:creator>today</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is NOT a fix-up...it is different kind of "f"-up! The original sidewalks along Weslayan were removed and the sidewalks in the pictures (with all the cemented-in obstacles)are NEW poured sidewalks. In fact - in one location along Weslayan, Trammell Crow and their highly intelligent contractors did not even cut for a wheel chair ramp! Anyone proclaiming to have an engineering degree and proud of working for the City or the Developer and their subcontractors should lose their degree and any other credentials. What a joke!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is NOT a fix-up&#8230;it is different kind of &#8220;f&#8221;-up! The original sidewalks along Weslayan were removed and the sidewalks in the pictures (with all the cemented-in obstacles)are NEW poured sidewalks. In fact - in one location along Weslayan, Trammell Crow and their highly intelligent contractors did not even cut for a wheel chair ramp! Anyone proclaiming to have an engineering degree and proud of working for the City or the Developer and their subcontractors should lose their degree and any other credentials. What a joke!</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Salsbury</title>
		<link>http://swamplot.com/costco-greenway-commons-sidewalk-obstacle-course-fun/2008-10-27/#comment-11100</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Salsbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the courts decide when ADA applies.  You can get sued at any time for lack of ADA compliance whether new or old construction. You need to check the ADA regulations not AASHTO (Though this is a good document) to determine what is appropriate.  It would have taken very little to make this sidewalk ADA compliant. You would need 30 inches wide at obstacles and overall five feet wide sidewalks and detectable warnings and you would have it.  It is too bad that the locals have given a "buy" on fixups as not requiring ADA compliance, especially when the appropriate measures could have been easily accomplished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the courts decide when ADA applies.  You can get sued at any time for lack of ADA compliance whether new or old construction. You need to check the ADA regulations not AASHTO (Though this is a good document) to determine what is appropriate.  It would have taken very little to make this sidewalk ADA compliant. You would need 30 inches wide at obstacles and overall five feet wide sidewalks and detectable warnings and you would have it.  It is too bad that the locals have given a &#8220;buy&#8221; on fixups as not requiring ADA compliance, especially when the appropriate measures could have been easily accomplished.</p>
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		<title>By: kjb434</title>
		<link>http://swamplot.com/costco-greenway-commons-sidewalk-obstacle-course-fun/2008-10-27/#comment-11099</link>
		<dc:creator>kjb434</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know the book very well.  I have it on my desk and the previous version was used in my Transportation Design courses in college.

A little tip on AASHTO design guidelines: if Federal and/or State funding is not utilized for a project, the guidelines can be tossed in the trash.  They are a fall back when local governance has no previous standard in place.

Harris County makes the decision on low speed roads (45 mph or less) to not use super elevation for tight curves as AASHTO requires.  In our geographical environment, roads are also utilized for conveyance of surface drainage.  Not using super elevation for major thoroughfares under 45mph (which is pretty much all of them) forces water to pond on the outside lanes.  This leaves the inside lane with little or no ponding to continue to allow traffic and especially emergency vehicles a consistent lane to drive in.  Houston doesn't necessarily follow this, but there are other areas that they don't follow AASHTO.  Intermediate cross walks for pedestrians is one.  AASHTO suggest flashing yellow lights and painted crosswalks for pedestrian crossing that are needed mid-block.  The FHA advises against this.  The city of Houston decided to use the FHA guideline.  An FHA study found it was safer for a pedestrian to cross mid-block without cross walks because the cross walks gave the pedestrians a false sense of security.  The only time the cross walk should be painted is if it was protected by a red light signal which generally is at intersections.  The Galleria has two at mid-block, but they are protected by a red light signal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the book very well.  I have it on my desk and the previous version was used in my Transportation Design courses in college.</p>
<p>A little tip on AASHTO design guidelines: if Federal and/or State funding is not utilized for a project, the guidelines can be tossed in the trash.  They are a fall back when local governance has no previous standard in place.</p>
<p>Harris County makes the decision on low speed roads (45 mph or less) to not use super elevation for tight curves as AASHTO requires.  In our geographical environment, roads are also utilized for conveyance of surface drainage.  Not using super elevation for major thoroughfares under 45mph (which is pretty much all of them) forces water to pond on the outside lanes.  This leaves the inside lane with little or no ponding to continue to allow traffic and especially emergency vehicles a consistent lane to drive in.  Houston doesn&#8217;t necessarily follow this, but there are other areas that they don&#8217;t follow AASHTO.  Intermediate cross walks for pedestrians is one.  AASHTO suggest flashing yellow lights and painted crosswalks for pedestrian crossing that are needed mid-block.  The FHA advises against this.  The city of Houston decided to use the FHA guideline.  An FHA study found it was safer for a pedestrian to cross mid-block without cross walks because the cross walks gave the pedestrians a false sense of security.  The only time the cross walk should be painted is if it was protected by a red light signal which generally is at intersections.  The Galleria has two at mid-block, but they are protected by a red light signal.</p>
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		<title>By: joe schmoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe schmoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AASHTO Guide for the Planning, Design, and Operation of Pedestrian Facilities
The purpose of this guide is to provide guidance on the planning, design, and operation of pedestrian facilities along streets and highways. Specifically, the guide focuses on identifying effective measures for accommodating pedestrians on public rights-of-way. Appropriate methods for accommodating pedestrians, which vary among roadway and facility types, are described in this guide. The primary audiences for this manual are planners, roadway designers, and transportation engineers, whether at the state or local level, the majority of whom make decisions on a daily basis that affect pedestrians. This guide also recognizes the profound effect that land use planning and site design have on pedestrian mobility and addresses these topics as well. 2004. Paperback. 142 pp.
Item Code: GPF-1
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Price per Copy: $90 * AASHTO Members: $75
Also available in ssingle-user CD-ROM.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AASHTO Guide for the Planning, Design, and Operation of Pedestrian Facilities<br />
The purpose of this guide is to provide guidance on the planning, design, and operation of pedestrian facilities along streets and highways. Specifically, the guide focuses on identifying effective measures for accommodating pedestrians on public rights-of-way. Appropriate methods for accommodating pedestrians, which vary among roadway and facility types, are described in this guide. The primary audiences for this manual are planners, roadway designers, and transportation engineers, whether at the state or local level, the majority of whom make decisions on a daily basis that affect pedestrians. This guide also recognizes the profound effect that land use planning and site design have on pedestrian mobility and addresses these topics as well. 2004. Paperback. 142 pp.<br />
Item Code: GPF-1<br />
Download Item Code: GPF-1-UL<br />
Price per Copy: $90 * AASHTO Members: $75<br />
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		<title>By: kjb434</title>
		<link>http://swamplot.com/costco-greenway-commons-sidewalk-obstacle-course-fun/2008-10-27/#comment-11024</link>
		<dc:creator>kjb434</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cesspool,

Working at an Engineering firm that worked on many pedestrian enhancement project in Midtown and Downtown along with countless new development, I'm fairly versed in the ADA rules.

In a simple reconstruction/repair as this was, the ADA rules don't apply.  If the sidewalk were being completely rebuilt (new signs for the road, reworking the electrical poles) ADA would haven't definitely played a roll.  Also, ADA sets guidelines that must be administered by the State of Texas and the City has answer to this if complaints are brought.  The city is protected is this case.

Also, the intersection you mention was just a simple left turn lane added to an existing median break.  The city didn't require them to do anything.  The developer wanted the left turn lane and had to apply for it.  The city could have turned them down.  Since the developer pays for this left turn lane, the city ensures it meets its standards for the roadway add-on.

ADA does come into effect for existing facilities when a threshold is met for reconstruction/remodeling.  Many buildings avoid remodeling because it forces them to build for ADA compliance which forces them to put in elevators and ramps.  Yet some smaller remodeling projects don't require it because the threshold isn't met.  There are several two story restaurants that don't meet ADA rules and were remodeled recently.  They were under the threshold.

People need to stop blaming the developer for following rules and complain to their council member that the city doesn't provide and adequate sidewalk along Wesleyan and Richmond for wheel chair use.  The developers aren't the problem, but inept city government is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cesspool,</p>
<p>Working at an Engineering firm that worked on many pedestrian enhancement project in Midtown and Downtown along with countless new development, I&#8217;m fairly versed in the ADA rules.</p>
<p>In a simple reconstruction/repair as this was, the ADA rules don&#8217;t apply.  If the sidewalk were being completely rebuilt (new signs for the road, reworking the electrical poles) ADA would haven&#8217;t definitely played a roll.  Also, ADA sets guidelines that must be administered by the State of Texas and the City has answer to this if complaints are brought.  The city is protected is this case.</p>
<p>Also, the intersection you mention was just a simple left turn lane added to an existing median break.  The city didn&#8217;t require them to do anything.  The developer wanted the left turn lane and had to apply for it.  The city could have turned them down.  Since the developer pays for this left turn lane, the city ensures it meets its standards for the roadway add-on.</p>
<p>ADA does come into effect for existing facilities when a threshold is met for reconstruction/remodeling.  Many buildings avoid remodeling because it forces them to build for ADA compliance which forces them to put in elevators and ramps.  Yet some smaller remodeling projects don&#8217;t require it because the threshold isn&#8217;t met.  There are several two story restaurants that don&#8217;t meet ADA rules and were remodeled recently.  They were under the threshold.</p>
<p>People need to stop blaming the developer for following rules and complain to their council member that the city doesn&#8217;t provide and adequate sidewalk along Wesleyan and Richmond for wheel chair use.  The developers aren&#8217;t the problem, but inept city government is.</p>
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		<title>By: Cesspool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cesspool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kjb434, you need to do some research.  ADA compliance is not thrown out the window when you have a rebuild of an existing facility.  There is adequate space to have built the sidewalk behind a planter strip which would have been more appropriate anyway.  Besides, those bike lane signs are pointless when the bike lane essentially doesn't exist, thereby becoming pointless obstacles.  The city is requiring the developer to reconfigure the intersection for cars but they didn't ensure compliance with a federal law?  Ingenious.  On top of that, if anyone, ped or wheelchair-bound gets killed having to step/roll into traffic to navigate that pathetic obstacle course at the corner then it will potentially cost Houston/Trammel Crow a whole lot more in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kjb434, you need to do some research.  ADA compliance is not thrown out the window when you have a rebuild of an existing facility.  There is adequate space to have built the sidewalk behind a planter strip which would have been more appropriate anyway.  Besides, those bike lane signs are pointless when the bike lane essentially doesn&#8217;t exist, thereby becoming pointless obstacles.  The city is requiring the developer to reconfigure the intersection for cars but they didn&#8217;t ensure compliance with a federal law?  Ingenious.  On top of that, if anyone, ped or wheelchair-bound gets killed having to step/roll into traffic to navigate that pathetic obstacle course at the corner then it will potentially cost Houston/Trammel Crow a whole lot more in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: Pumapayam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pumapayam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just lazy.  At least move the signs to the grass.</description>
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		<title>By: CK</title>
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		<dc:creator>CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, selling the Taj Majal was by far the right move by HISD.  While it may have been an interesting piece of architecture to some, that was drastically overshadowed by the fact that a school district's headquarters should be functional and cost efficient, and not an example of opulence at taxpayer expense.  The new HISD headquarters is in a convenient location on the North Loop at 290 and it's also a reasonably valued piece of property, connected to other district sports complexes.  While snobs and elitists may look down their noses at warehouse stores like Costco, the inner loop area has long lacked a venue like Costco which targets higher end buyers than stores like Sams.  Not everyone always wants to have to shop at boutique stratospherically priced stores that choose not to deal in cost efficient volumes so that people can walk there.  I personally love shopping at Costco.  My extremely successful single grandmother realtor buddy loves shopping at Costco all the time.  Now she's thrilled the new one's open a mere several blocks from her townhouse.  Just because you make good money doesn't mean you shouldn't shop prudently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, selling the Taj Majal was by far the right move by HISD.  While it may have been an interesting piece of architecture to some, that was drastically overshadowed by the fact that a school district&#8217;s headquarters should be functional and cost efficient, and not an example of opulence at taxpayer expense.  The new HISD headquarters is in a convenient location on the North Loop at 290 and it&#8217;s also a reasonably valued piece of property, connected to other district sports complexes.  While snobs and elitists may look down their noses at warehouse stores like Costco, the inner loop area has long lacked a venue like Costco which targets higher end buyers than stores like Sams.  Not everyone always wants to have to shop at boutique stratospherically priced stores that choose not to deal in cost efficient volumes so that people can walk there.  I personally love shopping at Costco.  My extremely successful single grandmother realtor buddy loves shopping at Costco all the time.  Now she&#8217;s thrilled the new one&#8217;s open a mere several blocks from her townhouse.  Just because you make good money doesn&#8217;t mean you shouldn&#8217;t shop prudently.</p>
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