Comments on: Funeral Bars Get Their Day in Court http://swamplot.com/funeral-bars-get-their-day-in-court/2012-10-22/ Houston, Texas real estate development, home buying, landscape, and design Thu, 23 May 2013 14:20:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Terry http://swamplot.com/funeral-bars-get-their-day-in-court/2012-10-22/#comment-305293 Terry Sat, 27 Oct 2012 03:36:25 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=48779#comment-305293 They are douchey bars, but as long as this doesn't turn into Washington, it will be ok. The price point keeps the hoodlums down the street at Twin Peaks. This area is on its way back and is looking nicer than ever so the community might rethink their stance before they chase away commerce. That Ninfas closed and those other shopping center parking lots often look empty. I guess some prefer to be surrounded by death instead of youthful life. They are douchey bars, but as long as this doesn’t turn into Washington, it will be ok. The price point keeps the hoodlums down the street at Twin Peaks. This area is on its way back and is looking nicer than ever so the community might rethink their stance before they chase away commerce. That Ninfas closed and those other shopping center parking lots often look empty. I guess some prefer to be surrounded by death instead of youthful life.

]]> By: Lemmy http://swamplot.com/funeral-bars-get-their-day-in-court/2012-10-22/#comment-302731 Lemmy Wed, 24 Oct 2012 17:15:31 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=48779#comment-302731 THEY HAVE A POOL IN THERE!? THEY HAVE A POOL IN THERE!?

]]> By: htownproud http://swamplot.com/funeral-bars-get-their-day-in-court/2012-10-22/#comment-302620 htownproud Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:42:35 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=48779#comment-302620 it is interesting that the home owners never sought to enforce this provision against the other bar that is right there (I guess it's called the Owl; I thought it was Mugsy's at one point). I'm not sure that a waiver as to some businesses constitutes a waiver of the provision as to all businesses though. I would also note that there are lots of other bars right in this area as well--maybe they are outside of the small deed restricted area (e.g., the Queen Vic, the wine bar next to it, Red Room, etc.). And to think, not too long ago there were adult books stores right on the other side of Kirby from here . . . it is interesting that the home owners never sought to enforce this provision against the other bar that is right there (I guess it’s called the Owl; I thought it was Mugsy’s at one point). I’m not sure that a waiver as to some businesses constitutes a waiver of the provision as to all businesses though. I would also note that there are lots of other bars right in this area as well–maybe they are outside of the small deed restricted area (e.g., the Queen Vic, the wine bar next to it, Red Room, etc.).

And to think, not too long ago there were adult books stores right on the other side of Kirby from here . . .

]]> By: jayci http://swamplot.com/funeral-bars-get-their-day-in-court/2012-10-22/#comment-301933 jayci Tue, 23 Oct 2012 21:27:31 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=48779#comment-301933 Pretty sure the only profiling at a place like Roak is the profiling that happens by the bouncer at the door... Pretty sure the only profiling at a place like Roak is the profiling that happens by the bouncer at the door…

]]> By: Heidi http://swamplot.com/funeral-bars-get-their-day-in-court/2012-10-22/#comment-301904 Heidi Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:27:58 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=48779#comment-301904 I thought that Cafe Express was gone now, replaced by the one on the 59 feeder? I thought that Cafe Express was gone now, replaced by the one on the 59 feeder?

]]> By: Seabird http://swamplot.com/funeral-bars-get-their-day-in-court/2012-10-22/#comment-301790 Seabird Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:20:29 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=48779#comment-301790 These issues are always interesting and I think they should be looked at case by case. Too many folks have a one-size fits all mentality w/re to "what should be done". The responses usually come down to advocates for zoning vs property rights proponents. Sometimes these new businesses that open up can bring a lot of character and value to a neighborhood. The folks who live behind these bars might like the other near-by businesses like Cafe Express. On the other hand, I don't think Cafe Express customers are hooting and hollering on their way to and from their cars between 9pm and 2am, or leaving cigarette butts and other trash in the yards of homeowners. These issues are always interesting and I think they should be looked at case by case. Too many folks have a one-size fits all mentality w/re to “what should be done”. The responses usually come down to advocates for zoning vs property rights proponents.

Sometimes these new businesses that open up can bring a lot of character and value to a neighborhood. The folks who live behind these bars might like the other near-by businesses like Cafe Express. On the other hand, I don’t think Cafe Express customers are hooting and hollering on their way to and from their cars between 9pm and 2am, or leaving cigarette butts and other trash in the yards of homeowners.

]]> By: awp http://swamplot.com/funeral-bars-get-their-day-in-court/2012-10-22/#comment-301718 awp Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:33:52 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=48779#comment-301718 rodney, There are deed restriction in place which the residents are attempting to enforce. These deed restriction were agreed to by the then current owner. Under any reasonable zoning regime a property fronting Kirby in that area would have almost no restrictions. Any zoning regime that did place heavy restriction on this lot would have to disallow almost all development outside downtown and midtown to be consistent. rodney,

There are deed restriction in place which the residents are attempting to enforce. These deed restriction were agreed to by the then current owner. Under any reasonable zoning regime a property fronting Kirby in that area would have almost no restrictions. Any zoning regime that did place heavy restriction on this lot would have to disallow almost all development outside downtown and midtown to be consistent.

]]> By: cahbf http://swamplot.com/funeral-bars-get-their-day-in-court/2012-10-22/#comment-301696 cahbf Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:11:52 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=48779#comment-301696 commonsense, I'm new to Houston and live near Ashby highrise. Am I a bad person because I think it sounds like a good idea? I'm having a hard time understanding the uproar but everyone on my street has a sign against it. I think density is a good idea in cities, but I guess i'm missing something. I'll keep my mouth shut for now. commonsense, I’m new to Houston and live near Ashby highrise. Am I a bad person because I think it sounds like a good idea? I’m having a hard time understanding the uproar but everyone on my street has a sign against it. I think density is a good idea in cities, but I guess i’m missing something. I’ll keep my mouth shut for now.

]]> By: commonsense http://swamplot.com/funeral-bars-get-their-day-in-court/2012-10-22/#comment-301661 commonsense Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:30:39 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=48779#comment-301661 Zoning would not solve this, there ARE rules in that neighborhood via deed restrictions, the bar owners lied on COH applications because they thought no one would enforce them. Much different than Ashby whiners, where they have no legal ground to object, just throw a tantrum on the floor kicking and screaming. Zoning would not solve this, there ARE rules in that neighborhood via deed restrictions, the bar owners lied on COH applications because they thought no one would enforce them. Much different than Ashby whiners, where they have no legal ground to object, just throw a tantrum on the floor kicking and screaming.

]]> By: rodney http://swamplot.com/funeral-bars-get-their-day-in-court/2012-10-22/#comment-301629 rodney Tue, 23 Oct 2012 13:32:09 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=48779#comment-301629 If people want to control uses in neighbourhoods, they should embrace zoning. You can't have control without rules. If people want to control uses in neighbourhoods, they should embrace zoning.
You can’t have control without rules.

]]> By: Benny Cargill http://swamplot.com/funeral-bars-get-their-day-in-court/2012-10-22/#comment-301590 Benny Cargill Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:41:30 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=48779#comment-301590 I agree witht he residents on this one. We dont need another "Douche Bag zone" like washington drive in this city. I agree witht he residents on this one. We dont need another “Douche Bag zone” like washington drive in this city.

]]> By: John http://swamplot.com/funeral-bars-get-their-day-in-court/2012-10-22/#comment-301014 John Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:12:36 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=48779#comment-301014 They should shut them down. The property should be sold and redeveloped into a mixed use property. They should shut them down. The property should be sold and redeveloped into a mixed use property.

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