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	<title>Comments on: Rejected Again: The Ashby Highrise&#8217;s Latest Failing&#160;Grade</title>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://swamplot.com/rejected-again-the-ashby-highrises-latest-failing-grade/2009-07-22/#comment-36997</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 02:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SO it seems disingenuous to suggest that the Ashby highrise and the Houston Medical Clinic will necessarily be similar in terms of their respective traffic impacts.
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It would depend on how many employees, not to mention patients, are arriving and departing during those same times. The point is as I recall not one objection to traffic impact was made. There are 600 parking spaces in the new garage. You do the math. 

http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=2007_4373567

They just didn't like it. They also didn't like Sonoma in the Village.  The mayor said "too bad" and the permits were issued. Without one word about traffic impact. Then suddenly the mayor declared war on 1717 Bissonnet. Curious at best. 

That section to the east of Ashby between Bissonnet and Rice is unrestricted land with the exception of the west side of Cherokee between Bissonnet and Sunset. 

Everyone knew that when they bought and built their homes in Southampton and in 
Boulevard Oaks.  The problem is that some believe the city charter doesn't apply to them. And so far it appears it doesn't. 

The developers of 1717 Bissonnet didn't have the weight to throw around the way Medical Clinic of Houston did. And that's what it comes down to. Having the weight to throw around. Not city ordinance. Not the city charter. A lot of people including some dvelopers really don't like that. And will support the developers of 1717 Bissonnet if they sue the city and the homeowners. Among other things they have a case for harassment and defamation. 

Personally, again, I think they should just donate the land to West U for a new sewage treatment plant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SO it seems disingenuous to suggest that the Ashby highrise and the Houston Medical Clinic will necessarily be similar in terms of their respective traffic impacts.<br />
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<p>It would depend on how many employees, not to mention patients, are arriving and departing during those same times. The point is as I recall not one objection to traffic impact was made. There are 600 parking spaces in the new garage. You do the math. </p>
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<p>They just didn&#8217;t like it. They also didn&#8217;t like Sonoma in the Village.  The mayor said &#8220;too bad&#8221; and the permits were issued. Without one word about traffic impact. Then suddenly the mayor declared war on 1717 Bissonnet. Curious at best. </p>
<p>That section to the east of Ashby between Bissonnet and Rice is unrestricted land with the exception of the west side of Cherokee between Bissonnet and Sunset. </p>
<p>Everyone knew that when they bought and built their homes in Southampton and in<br />
Boulevard Oaks.  The problem is that some believe the city charter doesn&#8217;t apply to them. And so far it appears it doesn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>The developers of 1717 Bissonnet didn&#8217;t have the weight to throw around the way Medical Clinic of Houston did. And that&#8217;s what it comes down to. Having the weight to throw around. Not city ordinance. Not the city charter. A lot of people including some dvelopers really don&#8217;t like that. And will support the developers of 1717 Bissonnet if they sue the city and the homeowners. Among other things they have a case for harassment and defamation. </p>
<p>Personally, again, I think they should just donate the land to West U for a new sewage treatment plant.</p>
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		<title>By: RWB</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don't know if any protested The Medical Clinic of Houston adding traffic (what did it replace, by the way?), a residential is inherently different from a business in that a good portion of the traffic leaving and returning to a apartment complex or condos happens all at once--in the morning when folks leave for work and in the evening when they return. And those are the times when the traffic on Bissonnet is at its worst. SO it seems disingenuous to suggest that the Ashby highrise and the Houston Medical Clinic will necessarily be similar in terms of their respective traffic impacts. Different uses--different impacts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t know if any protested The Medical Clinic of Houston adding traffic (what did it replace, by the way?), a residential is inherently different from a business in that a good portion of the traffic leaving and returning to a apartment complex or condos happens all at once&#8211;in the morning when folks leave for work and in the evening when they return. And those are the times when the traffic on Bissonnet is at its worst. SO it seems disingenuous to suggest that the Ashby highrise and the Houston Medical Clinic will necessarily be similar in terms of their respective traffic impacts. Different uses&#8211;different impacts.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Medical Clinic of Houston.</description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The original proposal called for a 464 space parking garage and 23 stories. 464 x 2 trips = 936
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Okay lets see the projected traffic impact studies for the Medical Center of Houston Clinic on Sunset, just to the south of 1717 Bissonnet. If you can find them. 

Obviously there is going to be be quite a bit more traffic on Sunset and on Rice and on other streets as well including Bissonnet. And yet that wasn't a concern to anyone. Some really do "doth protesteth too much."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original proposal called for a 464 space parking garage and 23 stories. 464 x 2 trips = 936<br />
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<p>Okay lets see the projected traffic impact studies for the Medical Center of Houston Clinic on Sunset, just to the south of 1717 Bissonnet. If you can find them. </p>
<p>Obviously there is going to be be quite a bit more traffic on Sunset and on Rice and on other streets as well including Bissonnet. And yet that wasn&#8217;t a concern to anyone. Some really do &#8220;doth protesteth too much.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kjb34 = Know it all--not.

Hmmmmmnnnnn.  Currently 67 apartments occupy the lot and let's just say everyone who lived there if it were 100% occupied had 2 vehicles. 67 x 2 =134 cars.  If each car made 2 trips daily that would be 268 cars on Bissonnet (a 2 lane street) at some point.  The original proposal called for a 464 space parking garage and 23 stories. 464 x 2 trips = 936.  I'm no mathematician but it seems like the building would more than triple the amount of cars entering and exiting Bissonnet (not counting the delivery trucks needed to service the restaurants). alone. Now how that isn't significant beats the hell out of me. One doesn't need to be an engineer, an architect or even a postal clerk to figure that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kjb34 = Know it all&#8211;not.</p>
<p>Hmmmmmnnnnn.  Currently 67 apartments occupy the lot and let&#8217;s just say everyone who lived there if it were 100% occupied had 2 vehicles. 67 x 2 =134 cars.  If each car made 2 trips daily that would be 268 cars on Bissonnet (a 2 lane street) at some point.  The original proposal called for a 464 space parking garage and 23 stories. 464 x 2 trips = 936.  I&#8217;m no mathematician but it seems like the building would more than triple the amount of cars entering and exiting Bissonnet (not counting the delivery trucks needed to service the restaurants). alone. Now how that isn&#8217;t significant beats the hell out of me. One doesn&#8217;t need to be an engineer, an architect or even a postal clerk to figure that out.</p>
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		<title>By: kjb434</title>
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		<dc:creator>kjb434</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not insulting your profession.  I didn't think architects (unless curriculum used to include it) have transportation and traffic analysis backgrounds.

Most civil engineers would need a dedicated course work geared to transportation/traffic in therir BS degree (which most don't) or move on to a Masters degree to practice in traffic analysis.  My limited coursework pretty much gave me a background, but I would never consider myself and expert though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not insulting your profession.  I didn&#8217;t think architects (unless curriculum used to include it) have transportation and traffic analysis backgrounds.</p>
<p>Most civil engineers would need a dedicated course work geared to transportation/traffic in therir BS degree (which most don&#8217;t) or move on to a Masters degree to practice in traffic analysis.  My limited coursework pretty much gave me a background, but I would never consider myself and expert though.</p>
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		<title>By: d</title>
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		<dc:creator>d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and thanks for rudly insulting my profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and thanks for rudly insulting my profession.</p>
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		<title>By: d</title>
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		<dc:creator>d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so you say...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so you say&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kjb434</title>
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		<dc:creator>kjb434</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>20-years architect = traffic expert?

That's new to me!

I have 10-years in civil engineering experience with some background in transportation and traffic analysis from collegiate courses and I still wouldn't use that as justification for knowing all the intricacies of the traffic volume.

At the surface, looking at a large building you would think that traffic is automatically going to go up!  The reality is that this buildings residents won't contribute much more traffic than that apartment complex there right now.  The major change is the commercial development aspect at the base and that can be easily mitigated.</description>
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<p>That&#8217;s new to me!</p>
<p>I have 10-years in civil engineering experience with some background in transportation and traffic analysis from collegiate courses and I still wouldn&#8217;t use that as justification for knowing all the intricacies of the traffic volume.</p>
<p>At the surface, looking at a large building you would think that traffic is automatically going to go up!  The reality is that this buildings residents won&#8217;t contribute much more traffic than that apartment complex there right now.  The major change is the commercial development aspect at the base and that can be easily mitigated.</p>
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		<title>By: d</title>
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		<dc:creator>d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i'm looking at the rendering, and as an architect with 20 years in the profession i don't see how those streets as they are can possibly support the volume of traffic this project will generate. let's face it, this proposal is a developer shoe-horning a beast into a residential neighborhood. but being houston, where potentially anything goes, maybe it will happen...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m looking at the rendering, and as an architect with 20 years in the profession i don&#8217;t see how those streets as they are can possibly support the volume of traffic this project will generate. let&#8217;s face it, this proposal is a developer shoe-horning a beast into a residential neighborhood. but being houston, where potentially anything goes, maybe it will happen&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kathry E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathry E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The developers held an in-house meeting at EDI's office to discuss the issues. This meeting took place in February, 2009. I personally sat in for this meeting.
They are building a case against the city. The developer is glad that the city keeps rejecting it; they are not out any money while the project keeps getting rejected.
One or two things will have to happen.
 
1. The city will have to implement zoning.
OR
2. Approve the project and recieve a permit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The developers held an in-house meeting at EDI&#8217;s office to discuss the issues. This meeting took place in February, 2009. I personally sat in for this meeting.<br />
They are building a case against the city. The developer is glad that the city keeps rejecting it; they are not out any money while the project keeps getting rejected.<br />
One or two things will have to happen.</p>
<p>1. The city will have to implement zoning.<br />
OR<br />
2. Approve the project and recieve a permit.</p>
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		<title>By: kjb434</title>
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		<dc:creator>kjb434</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Developers that don't have financing to move a project to construction still push for agency approvals all the time.

Some of my coworkers here in Houston are working on about 100 acres of single family residential in areas of Montgomery and Waller Counties.  The developer has no plan to go to construction, but are getting there approvals to move forward now.

Depending on the agency reviewing, an approval can last 2 to 5 years or longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Developers that don&#8217;t have financing to move a project to construction still push for agency approvals all the time.</p>
<p>Some of my coworkers here in Houston are working on about 100 acres of single family residential in areas of Montgomery and Waller Counties.  The developer has no plan to go to construction, but are getting there approvals to move forward now.</p>
<p>Depending on the agency reviewing, an approval can last 2 to 5 years or longer.</p>
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