Comments on: Roller Coaster on the Pier: Crunch Time for the Flagship Hotel http://swamplot.com/roller-coaster-on-the-pier-crunch-time-for-the-flagship-hotel/2009-06-30/ Houston, Texas real estate development, home buying, landscape, and design Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:15:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: kjb434 http://swamplot.com/roller-coaster-on-the-pier-crunch-time-for-the-flagship-hotel/2009-06-30/#comment-33924 kjb434 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:04:44 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=10217#comment-33924 I still don't see the organized crime being a problem. We already have that here. I'm looking at how the casinos along the Mississippi Gulf Coast along with the citizens that weren't looking for a government handout after Katrina turned these cities around. And it happened quickly. The people of New Orleans hated when they were asked why is Mississppi coming along much faster than New Orleans in reconstruction. I still don’t see the organized crime being a problem. We already have that here.

I’m looking at how the casinos along the Mississippi Gulf Coast along with the citizens that weren’t looking for a government handout after Katrina turned these cities around. And it happened quickly. The people of New Orleans hated when they were asked why is Mississppi coming along much faster than New Orleans in reconstruction.

]]> By: CK http://swamplot.com/roller-coaster-on-the-pier-crunch-time-for-the-flagship-hotel/2009-06-30/#comment-33922 CK Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:00:27 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=10217#comment-33922 I hear ya, but it's like sleeping with the devil. Sooner or later it'll come back to bite you in the nether regions. And, with organized crime, it's never just a slight one time nibble. I hear ya, but it’s like sleeping with the devil. Sooner or later it’ll come back to bite you in the nether regions. And, with organized crime, it’s never just a slight one time nibble.

]]> By: kjb434 http://swamplot.com/roller-coaster-on-the-pier-crunch-time-for-the-flagship-hotel/2009-06-30/#comment-33920 kjb434 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:39:39 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=10217#comment-33920 Ok, While Galveston works on its slow comeback, thousands of central and southeast Texans will go every weekend throughout the year to south Louisiana. Add to that thousands of nort Texans go to Oklahoma and north Louisiana every weekend. All of that is the draw of gambling. It's just a lot of money that I see leaving Texas and going to another state. Ok,

While Galveston works on its slow comeback, thousands of central and southeast Texans will go every weekend throughout the year to south Louisiana. Add to that thousands of nort Texans go to Oklahoma and north Louisiana every weekend. All of that is the draw of gambling.

It’s just a lot of money that I see leaving Texas and going to another state.

]]> By: CK http://swamplot.com/roller-coaster-on-the-pier-crunch-time-for-the-flagship-hotel/2009-06-30/#comment-33867 CK Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:54:12 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=10217#comment-33867 I am also not on the gambling bandwagon. I'm not some holy roller hell-bent against gambling, but gambling attracts the organized crime elements of society. We, and Galveston need that like a hole in the head. There are all kinds of legitimate ways to make money without attracting organized crime. I am also not on the gambling bandwagon. I’m not some holy roller hell-bent against gambling, but gambling attracts the organized crime elements of society. We, and Galveston need that like a hole in the head. There are all kinds of legitimate ways to make money without attracting organized crime.

]]> By: Angeli Wahlstedt http://swamplot.com/roller-coaster-on-the-pier-crunch-time-for-the-flagship-hotel/2009-06-30/#comment-33848 Angeli Wahlstedt Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:00:57 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=10217#comment-33848 No matter whoever develops this, I think a "pleasure pier" in Galveston would be fantastic. If you look at old postcards of Galveston, you'll see that there used to be an amusement park on the beach at one point or another. As for a casino...I'm iffy about that. People often think that casinos will automatically bring in money, but that's not always the case. Just ask residents of Central City, Colorado which was basically ruined when gambling was legalized there. No matter whoever develops this, I think a “pleasure pier” in Galveston would be fantastic. If you look at old postcards of Galveston, you’ll see that there used to be an amusement park on the beach at one point or another.

As for a casino…I’m iffy about that. People often think that casinos will automatically bring in money, but that’s not always the case. Just ask residents of Central City, Colorado which was basically ruined when gambling was legalized there.

]]> By: movocelot http://swamplot.com/roller-coaster-on-the-pier-crunch-time-for-the-flagship-hotel/2009-06-30/#comment-33822 movocelot Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:20:32 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=10217#comment-33822 I agree fully with kjb434 that a 'Santa Monica' pier at The Flagship location would be golden, would be the DESTINATION for a lot of folks! But couldn't there ALSO be an offshore gambling venue?? Imagine an elevator takes gamblers to a secret bullet-train in a tube, which whisks them to an oil derrick with gaming (no horse-racing, of course, haha!) The Island needs an injection of edgy intrigue since The Balinese is gone. Also, George Mitchell is another Player on Galveston; the gambling train could offer eco-tours to see Gulf habitat and thus receive some federal matching funds or something... I agree fully with kjb434 that a ‘Santa Monica’ pier at The Flagship location would be golden, would be the DESTINATION for a lot of folks! But couldn’t there ALSO be an offshore gambling venue??
Imagine an elevator takes gamblers to a secret bullet-train in a tube, which whisks them to an oil derrick with gaming (no horse-racing, of course, haha!)
The Island needs an injection of edgy intrigue since The Balinese is gone.

Also, George Mitchell is another Player on Galveston; the gambling train could offer eco-tours to see Gulf habitat and thus receive some federal matching funds or something…

]]> By: kjb434 http://swamplot.com/roller-coaster-on-the-pier-crunch-time-for-the-flagship-hotel/2009-06-30/#comment-33817 kjb434 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:49:40 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=10217#comment-33817 I know, I know. If you play with the devil.... But, an amusement park pier concept is right up Fertita's alley. I rather him make his major foray in Galveston development on a pier stuck out in the Gulf of Mexico versus along Broadway or in the Strand. It would be a touristy style development right where the touristy crowds go. I know, I know. If you play with the devil….

But, an amusement park pier concept is right up Fertita’s alley. I rather him make his major foray in Galveston development on a pier stuck out in the Gulf of Mexico versus along Broadway or in the Strand.

It would be a touristy style development right where the touristy crowds go.

]]> By: LoWest http://swamplot.com/roller-coaster-on-the-pier-crunch-time-for-the-flagship-hotel/2009-06-30/#comment-33815 LoWest Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:43:57 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=10217#comment-33815 Hey kjb434, I agree that Galveston needs help but if Fertitta is their saviour, lord help us all. Hey kjb434,
I agree that Galveston needs help but if Fertitta is their saviour, lord help us all.

]]> By: kjb434 http://swamplot.com/roller-coaster-on-the-pier-crunch-time-for-the-flagship-hotel/2009-06-30/#comment-33802 kjb434 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:08:25 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=10217#comment-33802 In this case LoWest, I'm pulling for Fertita. Galveston needs something like this to boost it's revenues. If Fertita is willing to spend the capital to construct something similar to the Santa Monica Pier, then I'm for it. I would prefer a couple large casinos instead since that is a proven revenue booster. Since the majority of gamblers in Lake Charles, Kinder, Shreveport, Marksville, and the Oklahoma Casinos are Texans; Galveston can recapture some of that market. The problem with casinos is that our state politicians are lining their pockets with money from out of state casino interests to not allow gambling. Don't believe the scapegoat that the religious have any influence on stopping gambling. It's simply not true. It it was, Lousiana and Mississippi would not have gambling. In this case LoWest, I’m pulling for Fertita.

Galveston needs something like this to boost it’s revenues. If Fertita is willing to spend the capital to construct something similar to the Santa Monica Pier, then I’m for it.

I would prefer a couple large casinos instead since that is a proven revenue booster. Since the majority of gamblers in Lake Charles, Kinder, Shreveport, Marksville, and the Oklahoma Casinos are Texans; Galveston can recapture some of that market.

The problem with casinos is that our state politicians are lining their pockets with money from out of state casino interests to not allow gambling. Don’t believe the scapegoat that the religious have any influence on stopping gambling. It’s simply not true. It it was, Lousiana and Mississippi would not have gambling.

]]> By: RWB http://swamplot.com/roller-coaster-on-the-pier-crunch-time-for-the-flagship-hotel/2009-06-30/#comment-33800 RWB Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:59:48 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=10217#comment-33800 Hard to know who to root for (or against) here! Hard to know who to root for (or against) here!

]]> By: LoWest http://swamplot.com/roller-coaster-on-the-pier-crunch-time-for-the-flagship-hotel/2009-06-30/#comment-33780 LoWest Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:16:31 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=10217#comment-33780 kjb434, Let's hope the Moody's can fight the evil they now face. kjb434,

Let’s hope the Moody’s can fight the evil they now face.

]]> By: kjb434 http://swamplot.com/roller-coaster-on-the-pier-crunch-time-for-the-flagship-hotel/2009-06-30/#comment-33778 kjb434 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:11:43 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=10217#comment-33778 This is going to fun to watch. The Moody family has fought Fertita on this for many years. I wonder how the city coucil members and mayor will act when going against the Moody's? This is going to fun to watch.

The Moody family has fought Fertita on this for many years.

I wonder how the city coucil members and mayor will act when going against the Moody’s?

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