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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"(but it was real Virginia, not NoVa)"

NoVa, where the population is growing and where the money to pay the state's bills comes from? 

The "real Virginia" is pretty dependent on that unreal, dreaded northern slice. 

-Former Northern Virginian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;(but it was real Virginia, not NoVa)&#8221;</p>
<p>NoVa, where the population is growing and where the money to pay the state&#8217;s bills comes from? </p>
<p>The &#8220;real Virginia&#8221; is pretty dependent on that unreal, dreaded northern slice. </p>
<p>-Former Northern Virginian</p>
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		<title>By: movocelot</title>
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		<dc:creator>movocelot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with kjb434, that
"There is a myth about people in the far out suburbs not knowing there neighbors. I say it’s a myth because all depends on if you are the kind of person to want to get to know your neighbors."

I lived in The Woodlands for 21 years, raised kids there &#38; headed my n'hood watch. I was one of those who made a point of knowing my neighbors &#38; I created a community because I wanted to impact my world, make a safe network of contacts, and insure my home's value. 
However, as I see it, the trouble is that this sort of 'community' requires constant energy infusions and may not be maintained over time, as economics, people and fashion take hold... 

See, if it wasn't for the assessment-supported covanant-police, The Woodlands would devolve into something much less lovely &#38; utopian!
People get lazy.
People shift their focus.

So how can "I can create my family's neighborhood!" remain in the minds of  residents, in old or new neighborhoods?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with kjb434, that<br />
&#8220;There is a myth about people in the far out suburbs not knowing there neighbors. I say it’s a myth because all depends on if you are the kind of person to want to get to know your neighbors.&#8221;</p>
<p>I lived in The Woodlands for 21 years, raised kids there &amp; headed my n&#8217;hood watch. I was one of those who made a point of knowing my neighbors &amp; I created a community because I wanted to impact my world, make a safe network of contacts, and insure my home&#8217;s value.<br />
However, as I see it, the trouble is that this sort of &#8216;community&#8217; requires constant energy infusions and may not be maintained over time, as economics, people and fashion take hold&#8230; </p>
<p>See, if it wasn&#8217;t for the assessment-supported covanant-police, The Woodlands would devolve into something much less lovely &amp; utopian!<br />
People get lazy.<br />
People shift their focus.</p>
<p>So how can &#8220;I can create my family&#8217;s neighborhood!&#8221; remain in the minds of  residents, in old or new neighborhoods?</p>
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		<title>By: GoogleMaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>GoogleMaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I grew up on a cul-de-sac in the suburbs of Virginia (but it was real Virginia, not NoVa).  It was necessitated by the presence of the local drinking water reservoir behind the properties at the end of the street.  :-)  We never had snow removal down our street even in the big blizzard of 1977.  The dads would all park at the top of the hill and walk down.  We kids all sledded down the middle of the street because we knew that none of the neighbors would be foolish enough to try to drive down.  I think even the mailman walked the block.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I grew up on a cul-de-sac in the suburbs of Virginia (but it was real Virginia, not NoVa).  It was necessitated by the presence of the local drinking water reservoir behind the properties at the end of the street.  :-)  We never had snow removal down our street even in the big blizzard of 1977.  The dads would all park at the top of the hill and walk down.  We kids all sledded down the middle of the street because we knew that none of the neighbors would be foolish enough to try to drive down.  I think even the mailman walked the block.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cul de sacs are an example of great marketing. There's absolutely no evidence that they make anything safer, but it's quite clear that they impede traffic, slow down emergency response vehicles, and drive up maintenance costs. 

In the 1950s suburb where I grew up, there were a limited number of them, and they existed because natural barriers like steep hills made continuing the street impractical. Most of the area was streets in grids which were perfectly safe, not overrun with speeding traffic, etc. The marketing of the cul de sac as the ideal place to live has been quite successful, but trying to find a benefit to it you wouldn't find on any suburban street is tough. 

Interestly, Virginia is no longer going to provide any public maintenance for new cul de sacs. Basically, they've said, this is a bad idea, it's expensive, and if you want it, you can pay for your own street maintenace, snow removal, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cul de sacs are an example of great marketing. There&#8217;s absolutely no evidence that they make anything safer, but it&#8217;s quite clear that they impede traffic, slow down emergency response vehicles, and drive up maintenance costs. </p>
<p>In the 1950s suburb where I grew up, there were a limited number of them, and they existed because natural barriers like steep hills made continuing the street impractical. Most of the area was streets in grids which were perfectly safe, not overrun with speeding traffic, etc. The marketing of the cul de sac as the ideal place to live has been quite successful, but trying to find a benefit to it you wouldn&#8217;t find on any suburban street is tough. </p>
<p>Interestly, Virginia is no longer going to provide any public maintenance for new cul de sacs. Basically, they&#8217;ve said, this is a bad idea, it&#8217;s expensive, and if you want it, you can pay for your own street maintenace, snow removal, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: kjb434</title>
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		<dc:creator>kjb434</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't forget the city of Friendswoods was all land for Exxon at one time.  Exxon formed the Friendswoods Development company (after seeing Mr. Farrington making money off of Tanglewood) to develop there own land into subdivisions and homes versus just selling it off.

Friendswoods is still here today and the development company is still around and is spun off of Exxon as its own company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget the city of Friendswoods was all land for Exxon at one time.  Exxon formed the Friendswoods Development company (after seeing Mr. Farrington making money off of Tanglewood) to develop there own land into subdivisions and homes versus just selling it off.</p>
<p>Friendswoods is still here today and the development company is still around and is spun off of Exxon as its own company.</p>
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		<title>By: EMME</title>
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		<dc:creator>EMME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marmer, I love that about Lake Jackson.  

The land for Tanglewood was purchased from Humble Oil (now ExxonMobil) for a pittance.  Mr. Farrington was thought to be off his rocker when he developed Tanglewood.  And maybe he was, but it succeeded.  

The streets of Tanglewood are names from the Tanglewood Tales by Nathaniel Hawthorne.  And most will have an R and an S in the names as those are said to have a better ring to them when rolling off the tongue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marmer, I love that about Lake Jackson.  </p>
<p>The land for Tanglewood was purchased from Humble Oil (now ExxonMobil) for a pittance.  Mr. Farrington was thought to be off his rocker when he developed Tanglewood.  And maybe he was, but it succeeded.  </p>
<p>The streets of Tanglewood are names from the Tanglewood Tales by Nathaniel Hawthorne.  And most will have an R and an S in the names as those are said to have a better ring to them when rolling off the tongue.</p>
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		<title>By: marmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>marmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EMME, you should see Lake Jackson.  Laid out in the 40's as a company town for Dow Chemical.  The architect Alden Dow was a member of the Dow Chemical family and he deliberately set up curved streets to 1) keep traffic speed lower and 2) have every lot be unique (slightly different shape and size.)   The downtown (if you can call it) area has streets with names like This Way, That Way, Parking Way, Winding Way, Circle Way, and Center Way.  There's also an Any Way, and a His Way near a church.  All of the original residential streets are named after flowers and trees, and the original street map is very biomorphic.  What that means is that it is very confusing to non-residents (and most residents for the first few years.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EMME, you should see Lake Jackson.  Laid out in the 40&#8217;s as a company town for Dow Chemical.  The architect Alden Dow was a member of the Dow Chemical family and he deliberately set up curved streets to 1) keep traffic speed lower and 2) have every lot be unique (slightly different shape and size.)   The downtown (if you can call it) area has streets with names like This Way, That Way, Parking Way, Winding Way, Circle Way, and Center Way.  There&#8217;s also an Any Way, and a His Way near a church.  All of the original residential streets are named after flowers and trees, and the original street map is very biomorphic.  What that means is that it is very confusing to non-residents (and most residents for the first few years.)</p>
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		<title>By: EMME</title>
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		<dc:creator>EMME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with you kjb, I think the layout of the streets can have a significant effect on how the neighbors interact.  Did you know Tanglewood streets were laid out the way they are with several curving to give the feel of inclines where there were none lending it to a more genteel feeling as opposed to the straight street grid which is a bit cold.  With those curvy streets, they still have a pretty straight street grid, but with more gentleness.    

While cul de sacs may create community within that cul de sac, I think it cuts the few houses on it off from the rest of the streets and therefore offers fewer opportunities for casual social interaction and in effect creates an us against them.  

Of course these are all generalizations, but developers deal in generalizations anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with you kjb, I think the layout of the streets can have a significant effect on how the neighbors interact.  Did you know Tanglewood streets were laid out the way they are with several curving to give the feel of inclines where there were none lending it to a more genteel feeling as opposed to the straight street grid which is a bit cold.  With those curvy streets, they still have a pretty straight street grid, but with more gentleness.    </p>
<p>While cul de sacs may create community within that cul de sac, I think it cuts the few houses on it off from the rest of the streets and therefore offers fewer opportunities for casual social interaction and in effect creates an us against them.  </p>
<p>Of course these are all generalizations, but developers deal in generalizations anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: kjb434</title>
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		<dc:creator>kjb434</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a myth about people in the far out suburbs not knowing there neighbors.  I say it's a myth because all depends on if you are the kind of person to want to get to know your neighbors.

Most of my co-workers live out in the northwest side of town past the Beltway.  Most of them know several of there neighbors and regular converse with them.  The community atmosphere of a neighborhood is determined by the people that live in it and not by how the streets are laid out.

There people that live in all neighborhoods that aren't sociable and don't interact.  There are many people in the Heights that don't interact with others and don't get involved in the community.  It's a mixed bag just like in the far out suburbs.

Well planned suburbs have incorporated community centers that go a long way in fostering relationships with neighbors not much different than community activities that occur in the Heights and in the Washington Ave area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a myth about people in the far out suburbs not knowing there neighbors.  I say it&#8217;s a myth because all depends on if you are the kind of person to want to get to know your neighbors.</p>
<p>Most of my co-workers live out in the northwest side of town past the Beltway.  Most of them know several of there neighbors and regular converse with them.  The community atmosphere of a neighborhood is determined by the people that live in it and not by how the streets are laid out.</p>
<p>There people that live in all neighborhoods that aren&#8217;t sociable and don&#8217;t interact.  There are many people in the Heights that don&#8217;t interact with others and don&#8217;t get involved in the community.  It&#8217;s a mixed bag just like in the far out suburbs.</p>
<p>Well planned suburbs have incorporated community centers that go a long way in fostering relationships with neighbors not much different than community activities that occur in the Heights and in the Washington Ave area.</p>
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		<title>By: justguessin</title>
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		<dc:creator>justguessin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arguing about what is a suburb in this city is ridiculous.  Houston is one giant suburb masked as a city.  If you claim Heights is a suburb, so are Montrose, River Oaks, and Bellaire.  As a Heights resident, I think those near Washington Ave can keep their "hip" bar scene.  Like others, I can visit, but can go home when I can't find parking or don't like the crowd.  I like my tree-filled neighborhood in the city where I know all of my neighbors within a 2 house radius by name.  Find that in another neighborhood....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arguing about what is a suburb in this city is ridiculous.  Houston is one giant suburb masked as a city.  If you claim Heights is a suburb, so are Montrose, River Oaks, and Bellaire.  As a Heights resident, I think those near Washington Ave can keep their &#8220;hip&#8221; bar scene.  Like others, I can visit, but can go home when I can&#8217;t find parking or don&#8217;t like the crowd.  I like my tree-filled neighborhood in the city where I know all of my neighbors within a 2 house radius by name.  Find that in another neighborhood&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: EMME</title>
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		<dc:creator>EMME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have found several new contemporary houses that I love in the Heights as well.  They tastefully incorporate some of the old into their style.  There are 2 on 8th St just west of Studewood.  They even have my much hated first floor garage, but the first floor is more than just a garage.  One of them even has a screened in porch on the second floor, but I like it.  ANother one is in the 900 block of E. 25th.  The same people built it that built Karen Derr's house on Columbia and 5th(?).  These are beautiful homes that while they are contemporary in nature, they show some great style that manages to fit in (not blend in) to the Heights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have found several new contemporary houses that I love in the Heights as well.  They tastefully incorporate some of the old into their style.  There are 2 on 8th St just west of Studewood.  They even have my much hated first floor garage, but the first floor is more than just a garage.  One of them even has a screened in porch on the second floor, but I like it.  ANother one is in the 900 block of E. 25th.  The same people built it that built Karen Derr&#8217;s house on Columbia and 5th(?).  These are beautiful homes that while they are contemporary in nature, they show some great style that manages to fit in (not blend in) to the Heights.</p>
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		<title>By: kjb434</title>
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		<dc:creator>kjb434</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EMME,

And you are far from unique in that regards.  Many of the old bungalows and cottages are quite salvageable.

Who would have though a spec house from 1910 would be considered historic?  At the time it was just a pre-packaged house.  Now it's a treasure....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EMME,</p>
<p>And you are far from unique in that regards.  Many of the old bungalows and cottages are quite salvageable.</p>
<p>Who would have though a spec house from 1910 would be considered historic?  At the time it was just a pre-packaged house.  Now it&#8217;s a treasure&#8230;.</p>
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