Comments on: Wet and Wild: Strip Redo on White Oak http://swamplot.com/wet-and-wild-strip-redo-on-white-oak/2009-03-23/ Houston, Texas real estate development, home buying, landscape, and design Sun, 22 Nov 2009 07:45:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: houston-development http://swamplot.com/wet-and-wild-strip-redo-on-white-oak/2009-03-23/#comment-23634 houston-development Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:52:52 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=7586#comment-23634 ArlingtonSt - thank you so much for providing the map link!! ArlingtonSt - thank you so much for providing the map link!!

]]> By: Jimbo http://swamplot.com/wet-and-wild-strip-redo-on-white-oak/2009-03-23/#comment-23514 Jimbo Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:38:44 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=7586#comment-23514 I think you're right about the line Arlington St. It is definitely west of Beverly. Thanks again for more links. My only complaint about Studemont is the speed people drive and that has nothing to do with there being two storey commercial buildings on it. The speed limit is not double in the middle lane people, not matter how late you are for work. I think you’re right about the line Arlington St. It is definitely west of Beverly. Thanks again for more links.

My only complaint about Studemont is the speed people drive and that has nothing to do with there being two storey commercial buildings on it. The speed limit is not double in the middle lane people, not matter how late you are for work.

]]> By: EMME http://swamplot.com/wet-and-wild-strip-redo-on-white-oak/2009-03-23/#comment-23508 EMME Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:05:04 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=7586#comment-23508 Houston was dry when I was a child. That is why bars are called clubs. You had to join a "club" to be able to drink. The country club had lockers each with a bottle that belonged to a "member." As a member, or a member's guest, you could share other member's liquor. Something like that. My parents explained it to me when I was very young, so some details may be blurry (or maybe the blurry comes from Member 542's planter's punch)! Houston was dry when I was a child. That is why bars are called clubs. You had to join a “club” to be able to drink. The country club had lockers each with a bottle that belonged to a “member.” As a member, or a member’s guest, you could share other member’s liquor. Something like that. My parents explained it to me when I was very young, so some details may be blurry (or maybe the blurry comes from Member 542’s planter’s punch)!

]]> By: kjb434 http://swamplot.com/wet-and-wild-strip-redo-on-white-oak/2009-03-23/#comment-23505 kjb434 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:46:58 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=7586#comment-23505 That certainly explains it EMME. It also explains why I never got vodka drinks at Onion Creek. Of course they always have beer specials or mimosas that fill in quite nicely! That certainly explains it EMME. It also explains why I never got vodka drinks at Onion Creek. Of course they always have beer specials or mimosas that fill in quite nicely!

]]> By: EMME http://swamplot.com/wet-and-wild-strip-redo-on-white-oak/2009-03-23/#comment-23504 EMME Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:43:11 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=7586#comment-23504 Charles Liquor and Onion Creek are in the dry zone. Liquor by the drink is not served. Beer and wine can be served in the dry zone as can liquor stores selling bottles of liquor not to be consumed on property. Onion Creek has a beer and wine license not a liquor license. Charles Liquor and Onion Creek are in the dry zone. Liquor by the drink is not served. Beer and wine can be served in the dry zone as can liquor stores selling bottles of liquor not to be consumed on property. Onion Creek has a beer and wine license not a liquor license.

]]> By: GoogleMaster http://swamplot.com/wet-and-wild-strip-redo-on-white-oak/2009-03-23/#comment-23501 GoogleMaster Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:24:09 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=7586#comment-23501 andrea, it will probably start out as sleek hip trendy boho bars, but after the area is no longer the favorite with the fickle 20-somethings that form its target demographic, it will degenerate into the typical ubiquitous Cricket/Mattress Firm/Cash America/generic nail salon strip center. Who shops at those places, anyway? I went to a check-cashing place once, but only because I needed a money order to mail to someone who was selling me something. andrea, it will probably start out as sleek hip trendy boho bars, but after the area is no longer the favorite with the fickle 20-somethings that form its target demographic, it will degenerate into the typical ubiquitous Cricket/Mattress Firm/Cash America/generic nail salon strip center.

Who shops at those places, anyway? I went to a check-cashing place once, but only because I needed a money order to mail to someone who was selling me something.

]]> By: kjb434 http://swamplot.com/wet-and-wild-strip-redo-on-white-oak/2009-03-23/#comment-23499 kjb434 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:11:58 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=7586#comment-23499 Protect us from....? What? I didn't know matress stores, check cashing, and cell phone stores to bodily or emotional harm. They may not be the most attractive, but if those businesses think that location is good for them, they will try to build there. How is Studemont impassable? It's certainly busier, but not bad. Protect us from….? What? I didn’t know matress stores, check cashing, and cell phone stores to bodily or emotional harm. They may not be the most attractive, but if those businesses think that location is good for them, they will try to build there.

How is Studemont impassable? It’s certainly busier, but not bad.

]]> By: GoogleMaster http://swamplot.com/wet-and-wild-strip-redo-on-white-oak/2009-03-23/#comment-23498 GoogleMaster Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:10:40 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=7586#comment-23498 Ha! That trailer park that I pointed out was between 7th and 7-1/2th near Beverly. Coincidentally the Chron just this morning ran a <a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6338565.html" rel="nofollow">story</a> on one of the last two remaining trailer parks in the Heights, a couple blocks away on <a href="http://www.historicaerials.com/?poi=4721" rel="nofollow">9th, one lot west of Studewood</a>. The 80-year-old landlord will probably have to close down the park and evict her tenants because her property taxes have gotten so high. Ha! That trailer park that I pointed out was between 7th and 7-1/2th near Beverly. Coincidentally the Chron just this morning ran a story on one of the last two remaining trailer parks in the Heights, a couple blocks away on 9th, one lot west of Studewood. The 80-year-old landlord will probably have to close down the park and evict her tenants because her property taxes have gotten so high.

]]> By: andrea http://swamplot.com/wet-and-wild-strip-redo-on-white-oak/2009-03-23/#comment-23497 andrea Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:08:01 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=7586#comment-23497 As far as I can tell, this is just the rendering with wishful thinking as far as store names, right? What is going to protect us from another mattress store/check cashing/cell phone mess - that is all that seems to show up in any other strip centers in & around the neighborhood. Is the fact that this is in the wet part any sort of guarantee that we'd get good bars or restaurants? I guess at least it isn't the multistory nonsense that would have made White Oak as impassable as Studemont now is. As far as I can tell, this is just the rendering with wishful thinking as far as store names, right? What is going to protect us from another mattress store/check cashing/cell phone mess - that is all that seems to show up in any other strip centers in & around the neighborhood. Is the fact that this is in the wet part any sort of guarantee that we’d get good bars or restaurants? I guess at least it isn’t the multistory nonsense that would have made White Oak as impassable as Studemont now is.

]]> By: GoogleMaster http://swamplot.com/wet-and-wild-strip-redo-on-white-oak/2009-03-23/#comment-23496 GoogleMaster Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:48:50 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=7586#comment-23496 The earliest aerial photos I can find offhand are from 1957, but you can see from <a href="http://www.historicaerials.com/?poi=4720" rel="nofollow">Historic Aerials</a> that there used to be what looks like a trailer park back there, on up into the early 1980s. Cool feature: compare two years, say 1957 and 2004, and drag the red arrow from side to side. The earliest aerial photos I can find offhand are from 1957, but you can see from Historic Aerials that there used to be what looks like a trailer park back there, on up into the early 1980s.

Cool feature: compare two years, say 1957 and 2004, and drag the red arrow from side to side.

]]> By: ArlingtonSt http://swamplot.com/wet-and-wild-strip-redo-on-white-oak/2009-03-23/#comment-23492 ArlingtonSt Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:50:42 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=7586#comment-23492 (Please delete if this is a dupe comment - I tried once before.) Jimbo - My read of some old maps (the 1913 map, the block book, the HCAD map, and Sister Agatha's foldout map) taken together is that the Heights/Houston boundary ran 200 feet east of Oxford around White Oak. Right along the western boundary of the Onion Creek lot. Which would be west of Beverly/Granberry, and west even of Frasier. http://books.tax.hctx.net/v021/AE1997_21-22_0017.jpg kjb - You're right about the Heights Blvd. streetcar. "Houston Electric" is a great book on Houston's streetcars. (Please delete if this is a dupe comment - I tried once before.)
Jimbo - My read of some old maps (the 1913 map, the block book, the HCAD map, and Sister Agatha’s foldout map) taken together is that the Heights/Houston boundary ran 200 feet east of Oxford around White Oak. Right along the western boundary of the Onion Creek lot. Which would be west of Beverly/Granberry, and west even of Frasier.
http://books.tax.hctx.net/v021.....2_0017.jpg
kjb - You’re right about the Heights Blvd. streetcar. “Houston Electric” is a great book on Houston’s streetcars.

]]> By: ArlingtonSt http://swamplot.com/wet-and-wild-strip-redo-on-white-oak/2009-03-23/#comment-23489 ArlingtonSt Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:24:00 +0000 http://swamplot.com/?p=7586#comment-23489 Jimbo: I'm by no means an expert on this, but I think the Heights/Houston boundary on the 1913 and other old maps doesn't reach as far east as a Beverly/Granberry line. And not even as far east as Frasier. If you look at the old Harris County block book maps, and at HCAD maps, it appears that Heights lots extended only 200 feet east of Oxford - putting the Heights/Houston line right along the western boundary of 3106 White Oak (Onion Creek). At least that's how I read these - let me know what you think. Block book: http://books.tax.hctx.net/v021/AE1997_21-22_0017.jpg HCAD: http://www.hcad.org/iMaps/Tiles/Color/5358A12.pdf Unfortunately, I can't also link to the fold-out map included with Sister Agatha's book about the Heights. kjb - You're absolutely right about the streetcar up Heights Blvd. Jimbo: I’m by no means an expert on this, but I think the Heights/Houston boundary on the 1913 and other old maps doesn’t reach as far east as a Beverly/Granberry line. And not even as far east as Frasier. If you look at the old Harris County block book maps, and at HCAD maps, it appears that Heights lots extended only 200 feet east of Oxford - putting the Heights/Houston line right along the western boundary of 3106 White Oak (Onion Creek). At least that’s how I read these - let me know what you think.
Block book:
http://books.tax.hctx.net/v021.....2_0017.jpg
HCAD:
http://www.hcad.org/iMaps/Tiles/Color/5358A12.pdf
Unfortunately, I can’t also link to the fold-out map included with Sister Agatha’s book about the Heights.
kjb - You’re absolutely right about the streetcar up Heights Blvd.

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